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		<title>By: Iconara &#187; There is actually more to Flex 3 than just the version number</title>
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		<dc:creator>Iconara &#187; There is actually more to Flex 3 than just the version number</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Oct 2007 20:23:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] months ago I asked is the only thing new with Flex 3 the version number?, I was bit critical back then, but I take it all [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>By: JabbyPanda</title>
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		<dc:creator>JabbyPanda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jul 2007 16:19:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Today I found a pretty interesting official doc:
Flex 3 roadmap:
http://flexwiki.adobe.com/confluence/display/ADOBE/Flex+3+Planning&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Flex 3 M3 release will include some enhancements to Flex SDK:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;-Baseline Alignment
-Charting Enhancements
-Compiler Performance
-Enhanced Constraints
-List and Data Effects
-OpenType Font Embedding&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Today I found a pretty interesting official doc:
Flex 3 roadmap:
<a href="http://flexwiki.adobe.com/confluence/display/ADOBE/Flex+3+Planning" rel="nofollow">http://flexwiki.adobe.com/confluence/display/ADOBE/Flex+3+Planning</a></p>

<p>Flex 3 M3 release will include some enhancements to Flex SDK:</p>

<p>-Baseline Alignment
-Charting Enhancements
-Compiler Performance
-Enhanced Constraints
-List and Data Effects
-OpenType Font Embedding</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Theo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Theo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2007 16:13:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Ted &amp; Tim: see the update.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ted &amp; Tim: see the update.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Theo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Theo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2007 06:51:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Mark: &quot;And then there is the persistent framework cache in the new Flash Player, which is good news&quot;. RTFA.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;---&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Ted &amp; Tim: You are missing the point. Quote from TFA: &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&quot;There is not much new in the framework&quot;.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I realise however that the title is a bit misleading. Flex 3 is the SDK, FlexBuilder and the framework (which is what I&#039;m talking about). Faster compiler, caching of RSL&#039;s, etc. are not additions to the framework. They are good things in themselves, but that was not &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;However, you mention:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;- Deep linking&lt;br /&gt;
Well, we already have that, of sorts. I guess that the new version is better, but from the description it sounds more or less the same, save for a better API perhaps.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;- List effects&lt;br /&gt;
Wow, what a feature, beed dying for that one.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;- AIR&lt;br /&gt;
I didn&#039;t count the AIR-specifics as a part of the Flex framework, perhaps I should have, but in my mind AIR is not a part of Flex, but something built (partly) on top of Flex.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;- Refactoring (not the FlexBuilder feature, but of the framework code)&lt;br /&gt;
This is a good thing, but by definition nothing new.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Don&#039;t get me wrong, as I said in TFA the RSL caching is good news, and so are many of the other things scheduled for Flex 3, but as far as working with the framework goes, it seems that I will see no differences in my day to day work.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I&#039;m not sure what I was expecting, but I was a bit disapointed when I read the release notes and didn&#039;t find any new additions of changes to the framework (new list effects isn&#039;t what I was looking for). But I was quite ok with that until I saw that the AdvancedDataGrid was in the not-free package. That made me feel that this release (of the framework, still only talking about the framework, because that is what matters to me) was a bit on the cheap side. The only truly new feature (in the framework) Adobe had to show was a $300 (or whatever) add on... I don&#039;t care for the AdvancedDataGrid class especially, there are already similar implementations out there, it&#039;s the presentation: here are the new features but you&#039;re not getting the one thing we talk most about. It&#039;s not hard to see Adobe&#039;s rationale behing open sourcing Flex 3: give &#039;em something that works, but then dangle the carrot that is the advanced features in front of them until they give you the $800 (or whatever) that they should have payed for to start with. Nothing wrong with that if you don&#039;t deny it, but it&#039;s being a bit cheap. (An that description is vicious, I know, you don&#039;t have to point that out).&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark: &#8220;And then there is the persistent framework cache in the new Flash Player, which is good news&#8221;. RTFA.</p>

<p>&#8212;</p>

<p>Ted &#038; Tim: You are missing the point. Quote from TFA: </p>

<p>&#8220;There is not much new in the framework&#8221;.</p>

<p>I realise however that the title is a bit misleading. Flex 3 is the SDK, FlexBuilder and the framework (which is what I&#8217;m talking about). Faster compiler, caching of RSL&#8217;s, etc. are not additions to the framework. They are good things in themselves, but that was not </p>

<p>However, you mention:</p>

<p>- Deep linking<br />
Well, we already have that, of sorts. I guess that the new version is better, but from the description it sounds more or less the same, save for a better API perhaps.</p>

<p>- List effects<br />
Wow, what a feature, beed dying for that one.</p>

<p>- AIR<br />
I didn&#8217;t count the AIR-specifics as a part of the Flex framework, perhaps I should have, but in my mind AIR is not a part of Flex, but something built (partly) on top of Flex.</p>

<p>- Refactoring (not the FlexBuilder feature, but of the framework code)<br />
This is a good thing, but by definition nothing new.</p>

<p>Don&#8217;t get me wrong, as I said in TFA the RSL caching is good news, and so are many of the other things scheduled for Flex 3, but as far as working with the framework goes, it seems that I will see no differences in my day to day work.</p>

<p>I&#8217;m not sure what I was expecting, but I was a bit disapointed when I read the release notes and didn&#8217;t find any new additions of changes to the framework (new list effects isn&#8217;t what I was looking for). But I was quite ok with that until I saw that the AdvancedDataGrid was in the not-free package. That made me feel that this release (of the framework, still only talking about the framework, because that is what matters to me) was a bit on the cheap side. The only truly new feature (in the framework) Adobe had to show was a $300 (or whatever) add on&#8230; I don&#8217;t care for the AdvancedDataGrid class especially, there are already similar implementations out there, it&#8217;s the presentation: here are the new features but you&#8217;re not getting the one thing we talk most about. It&#8217;s not hard to see Adobe&#8217;s rationale behing open sourcing Flex 3: give &#8216;em something that works, but then dangle the carrot that is the advanced features in front of them until they give you the $800 (or whatever) that they should have payed for to start with. Nothing wrong with that if you don&#8217;t deny it, but it&#8217;s being a bit cheap. (An that description is vicious, I know, you don&#8217;t have to point that out).</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2007 04:04:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Well for starters what about the framework caching !! that&#039;s a huge benefit ...&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well for starters what about the framework caching !! that&#8217;s a huge benefit &#8230;</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Ted Patrick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ted Patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2007 03:54:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;You forgot to mention any of these features in the SDK:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;MXMLC/COMPC Faster compilation 
MXMLC/COMPC Class caching at compilation
MXMLC Framework Caching 
MXMLC Cross-Domain Caching
MXMLC Runtime Localization
MXMLC Resource Bundles 
MXMLC/COMPC Class Exclusion
MXMLC/COMPC Flash-Type support
Added CSS properties for advanced skinning via SWF/PNG
List Effect classes
AIR Flex SDK Application Window
AIR Flex Database Support Classes
AIR FileSystemComboBox
AIR FileSystemDataGrid
AIR FileSystemHistoryButton
AIR FileSystemList
AIR FileSystemTree
AIR HTML
AIR MenuItems
AIR ApplicationWindow
AIR Cross Scripting support
AIR Application packaging and signing
Deep Linking
AJAX Support
Flex 3 Open Bugbase
Flex 3 Nightly Builds and Milestone Builds
Some 200+ bugs fixed since 2.0.1&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;There is a ton of work that has gone into making Flex more robust and solid in Flex 3. To say we just changed the version number means you really have not looked into the release at all.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Ted Patrick
Flex Evangelist
Adobe Systems&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You forgot to mention any of these features in the SDK:</p>

<p>MXMLC/COMPC Faster compilation 
MXMLC/COMPC Class caching at compilation
MXMLC Framework Caching 
MXMLC Cross-Domain Caching
MXMLC Runtime Localization
MXMLC Resource Bundles 
MXMLC/COMPC Class Exclusion
MXMLC/COMPC Flash-Type support
Added CSS properties for advanced skinning via SWF/PNG
List Effect classes
AIR Flex SDK Application Window
AIR Flex Database Support Classes
AIR FileSystemComboBox
AIR FileSystemDataGrid
AIR FileSystemHistoryButton
AIR FileSystemList
AIR FileSystemTree
AIR HTML
AIR MenuItems
AIR ApplicationWindow
AIR Cross Scripting support
AIR Application packaging and signing
Deep Linking
AJAX Support
Flex 3 Open Bugbase
Flex 3 Nightly Builds and Milestone Builds
Some 200+ bugs fixed since 2.0.1</p>

<p>There is a ton of work that has gone into making Flex more robust and solid in Flex 3. To say we just changed the version number means you really have not looked into the release at all.</p>

<p>Ted Patrick
Flex Evangelist
Adobe Systems</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2007 03:24:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I think there&#039;s plenty non-IDE additions/changes for you to consider:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;p&gt;caching of RSL&#039;s (Flex framework can be cached)
http://www.onflex.org/ted/2007/06/flex-3-thursday-dramatically-smaller.php&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;p&gt;faster compiler (30-40% better on first time compiles)&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;p&gt;deep linking and resource bundles
http://www.onflex.org/ted/2007/06/flex-3-wednesday-components-and-sdk.php&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;p&gt;looking at the code I&#039;ve also seen some refactoring to clean some components up as well as various bug fixes&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Just a few things I could think of off the top of my head.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think there&#8217;s plenty non-IDE additions/changes for you to consider:</p>

<ul>
<li><p>caching of RSL&#8217;s (Flex framework can be cached)
<a href="http://www.onflex.org/ted/2007/06/flex-3-thursday-dramatically-smaller.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.onflex.org/ted/2007/06/flex-3-thursday-dramatically-smaller.php</a></p></li>
<li><p>faster compiler (30-40% better on first time compiles)</p></li>
<li><p>deep linking and resource bundles
<a href="http://www.onflex.org/ted/2007/06/flex-3-wednesday-components-and-sdk.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.onflex.org/ted/2007/06/flex-3-wednesday-components-and-sdk.php</a></p></li>
<li><p>looking at the code I&#8217;ve also seen some refactoring to clean some components up as well as various bug fixes</p></li>
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<p>Just a few things I could think of off the top of my head.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Theo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Theo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jun 2007 12:45:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I&#039;ve fixed the link, thanks. WordPress had mangled it somehow.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;This is what the FlexTeam says about AdvancedDataGrid (follow the link, it&#039;s item 2 in the list):&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&quot;The charting components and Advanced DataGrid will be part of the Flex Data Visualization Package. This package will remain a commercial offering from Adobe, and source will only be available to those who have an appropriate license.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;AdvancedDataGrid will be non-free (and non-open source).&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I have my doubts about the Flex community taking over the development of the Flex framework. I don&#039;t see Adobe relinquising control over the framework, so I doubt we will see much difference. As it is you can write components that work just the same regardless of Flex being open source or not, so the only difference would be if you wanted to make changed to the core of the framework. And really, it&#039;s very unlikely that anyone not on the Flex development team or someone they trust would ever be allowed to subit any code for that. I mean, how many people are allowed to submit changes to the Linux kernel? Not very many, and that project is one of the most hailed open source efforts. Bazaar-style development is a myth.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve fixed the link, thanks. WordPress had mangled it somehow.</p>

<p>This is what the FlexTeam says about AdvancedDataGrid (follow the link, it&#8217;s item 2 in the list):</p>

<p>&#8220;The charting components and Advanced DataGrid will be part of the Flex Data Visualization Package. This package will remain a commercial offering from Adobe, and source will only be available to those who have an appropriate license.&#8221;</p>

<p>AdvancedDataGrid will be non-free (and non-open source).</p>

<p>I have my doubts about the Flex community taking over the development of the Flex framework. I don&#8217;t see Adobe relinquising control over the framework, so I doubt we will see much difference. As it is you can write components that work just the same regardless of Flex being open source or not, so the only difference would be if you wanted to make changed to the core of the framework. And really, it&#8217;s very unlikely that anyone not on the Flex development team or someone they trust would ever be allowed to subit any code for that. I mean, how many people are allowed to submit changes to the Linux kernel? Not very many, and that project is one of the most hailed open source efforts. Bazaar-style development is a myth.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: JabbyPanda</title>
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		<dc:creator>JabbyPanda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jun 2007 11:55:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Hmmm. is AdvancedDataGrid component a part of free Flex 3 SDK or it is not?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;It is not that clear to me from the post made by flex-team.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;A hint: fix a hyperlink in your post, currently it requires some extra effort to navigate to flex-team blog from your post entry ;)&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I would expect in the future the Flex community to take over the development of Flex SDK and fixing bugs, making changes to API, may be extending SDK with new classes...&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm. is AdvancedDataGrid component a part of free Flex 3 SDK or it is not?</p>

<p>It is not that clear to me from the post made by flex-team.</p>

<p>A hint: fix a hyperlink in your post, currently it requires some extra effort to navigate to flex-team blog from your post entry ;)</p>

<p>I would expect in the future the Flex community to take over the development of Flex SDK and fixing bugs, making changes to API, may be extending SDK with new classes&#8230;</p>]]></content:encoded>
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